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Filed under: Cultural, General, Philosophical, Theology — Bob at 10:00 am on Monday, June 16, 2008

On My (Qualified) Agreement With Sam Harris

To restate from the last post on this topic

Assertion: Sam Harris was compelled to pen The End of Faith on September 12, 2001 and wrote his Letter To A Christian Nation a few years later. He is one of a growing number who equate the travesties perpetrated by Muslim terrorists with anyone who claims what he calls a “rigid” religious view. Rigid thinkers are dangerous in this world because they become too extreme.

Keep that idea in mind as you consider some points of agreement that Harris claims to share the hard-core “Christian right.” In summary, Harris agrees that (p. 3-4) …

  • If one of us is right, the other is wrong.
  • The Bible is either the word of God, or it isn’t.
  • Jesus offers humanity the one, true path to salvation, or he does not.
  • True Christians believe that all other faiths are mistaken and profoundly so.

Response: For all the relativists out there I want to point out that Harris, like me, appears to believe in the existence of objective truth. That being the case, we each must admit that one of us is right and one of us is wrong. It has to be so. We cannot hold completely contradictory views and both be right.

In other words, in taking the opposite view of the nutty Christians, Sam Harris is actually admitting to hold some “hard-core” beliefs himself — beliefs that are exactly contradictory, and just as rigidly held, as those of his Christian opponents. He demands that Christians are wrong, that the Bible is not the word of God, that Jesus in not the one true path to salvation etc. In short, Sam Harris has described himself as a rigid thinker who, according to his own allegations, must also be dangerous.

My only beef with Harris is that he holds Christians in contempt for having the audacity to think they are right about the way they see the world, while he is doing the exact same thing.

Bottom line — Christianity may be true or false. We can debate the evidence (and we will). But whether it is true or not, the fact that Christians actually believe it to be true is not the problem. It is not a badge of honor to be wishy-washy. And it is not a prelude to oppression and violence to hold to concrete beliefs. It all depends on what those beliefs are, whether there is evidence to support them, and whether or not they comport with the way the world actually is. Harris cannot condemn religious belief until he first compares the nature of the religion, the worldview it creates, and the actions that result from its adherents.

Belief is not the problem. What matters is what one believes. That is what makes one dangerous. Those who actually practice Biblical Christianity should pose no threat to anyone. Conversely, following atheist ideas can be brutally dangerous to those with whom the atheist comes in contact. It goes both ways. But the simple act of actually believing something says nothing about whether or not it is true, or whether or not it is “dangerous.”

This becomes important later when we consider the problems Harris has with our “Christian Nation.”

3 Comments »

Comment by whoisgringo

June 16, 2008 @ 7:27 pm

The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them).

Therefore, he accepts total and full responsibility for what he does and says.

The only thing is, you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct.

Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons… the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris.

Prove God. Now.

Comment by Bob

June 21, 2008 @ 9:00 am

“The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them).”

Atrocities? What atrocities are you referring to and by what standard do you deem them atrocious? I do not know of any Christian theists who are claiming a “divine right” to atrocious conduct.

“… you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct.”

Maybe so. Then again, that is your opinion — about which you (and Sam Harris) could also be wrong while continuing to perpetuate the notion that you (or Sam Harris) are correct. Your blatant, unsubstantiated claim that I am wrong does not make it true. Please provide evidence to back it up.

“Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons… the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris … Prove God. Now.”

Actually, I doubt you will find anyone who will debate the reality of lions and tigers. That said, what do you require as “proof” that God exists? Your standard of proof is important.

For instance, how would you “prove” that electrons exist? You may see the effects of electrons but have you ever seen one? No == you rely on evidence. YOU certainly can’t prove it yourself. How do you “prove” that you, or anyone else exists? How do you “prove” that you didn’t pop into existence 6 nanoseconds ago with all your memories preprogrammed in place? How do you “prove” the existence of other minds?

Prove these things. Now!

The fact is that there are many “proofs” for the existence of God. What is a standard of proof that you are willing to accept? In my experience, many who claim atheism will not accept any amount of evidence — yet they condemn theists for mindlessly accepting things on “blind faith.” If there is no amount of evidence that will convince you of the existence of God, your dismissal of that idea is not intellectually based.

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