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	<title>Comments on: New Atheist Rebuttals (4)</title>
	<link>http://truehorizon.org/2008/06/16/new-atheist-rebuttals-4/</link>
	<description>Where Clear Thinking Faith Meets The Real World</description>
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		<title>By: True Horizon &#187; New Atheists (7)</title>
		<link>http://truehorizon.org/2008/06/16/new-atheist-rebuttals-4/#comment-18580</link>
		<dc:creator>True Horizon &#187; New Atheists (7)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the differences between them. To put that claim in context, Harris (as discussed earlier here), misunderstands the concept of condemnation to hell and, because of that misunderstanding, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] about the differences between them. To put that claim in context, Harris (as discussed earlier here), misunderstands the concept of condemnation to hell and, because of that misunderstanding, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://truehorizon.org/2008/06/16/new-atheist-rebuttals-4/#comment-16464</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them)."

Atrocities? What atrocities are you referring to and by what standard do you deem them atrocious? I do not know of any Christian theists who are claiming a "divine right" to atrocious conduct.

"... you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct."

Maybe so. Then again, that is your opinion -- about which you (and Sam Harris) could also be wrong while continuing to perpetuate the notion that you (or Sam Harris) are correct. Your blatant, unsubstantiated claim that I am wrong does not make it true. Please provide evidence to back it up.

"Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons… the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris ... Prove God. Now."

Actually, I doubt you will find anyone who will debate the reality of lions and tigers. That said, what do you require as "proof" that God exists? Your standard of proof is important.

For instance, how would you "prove" that electrons exist? You may see the effects of electrons but have you ever seen one? No == you rely on evidence. YOU certainly can't prove it yourself. How do you "prove" that you, or anyone else exists? How do you "prove" that you didn't pop into existence 6 nanoseconds ago with all your memories preprogrammed in place? How do you "prove" the existence of other minds?

Prove these things. Now!

The fact is that there are many "proofs" for the existence of God. What is a standard of proof that you are willing to accept? In my experience, many who claim atheism will not accept any amount of evidence -- yet they condemn theists for mindlessly accepting things on "blind faith." If there is no amount of evidence that will convince you of the existence of God, your dismissal of that idea is not intellectually based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them).&#8221;</p>
<p>Atrocities? What atrocities are you referring to and by what standard do you deem them atrocious? I do not know of any Christian theists who are claiming a &#8220;divine right&#8221; to atrocious conduct.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe so. Then again, that is your opinion &#8212; about which you (and Sam Harris) could also be wrong while continuing to perpetuate the notion that you (or Sam Harris) are correct. Your blatant, unsubstantiated claim that I am wrong does not make it true. Please provide evidence to back it up.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons… the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris &#8230; Prove God. Now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I doubt you will find anyone who will debate the reality of lions and tigers. That said, what do you require as &#8220;proof&#8221; that God exists? Your standard of proof is important.</p>
<p>For instance, how would you &#8220;prove&#8221; that electrons exist? You may see the effects of electrons but have you ever seen one? No == you rely on evidence. YOU certainly can&#8217;t prove it yourself. How do you &#8220;prove&#8221; that you, or anyone else exists? How do you &#8220;prove&#8221; that you didn&#8217;t pop into existence 6 nanoseconds ago with all your memories preprogrammed in place? How do you &#8220;prove&#8221; the existence of other minds?</p>
<p>Prove these things. Now!</p>
<p>The fact is that there are many &#8220;proofs&#8221; for the existence of God. What is a standard of proof that you are willing to accept? In my experience, many who claim atheism will not accept any amount of evidence &#8212; yet they condemn theists for mindlessly accepting things on &#8220;blind faith.&#8221; If there is no amount of evidence that will convince you of the existence of God, your dismissal of that idea is not intellectually based.</p>
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		<title>By: whoisgringo</title>
		<link>http://truehorizon.org/2008/06/16/new-atheist-rebuttals-4/#comment-16129</link>
		<dc:creator>whoisgringo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://truehorizon.org/2008/06/16/new-atheist-rebuttals-4/#comment-16129</guid>
		<description>The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them).

Therefore, he accepts total and full responsibility for what he does and says.

The only thing is, you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct.  

Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons... the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris.

Prove God.  Now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is, he holds no divine right to commit atrocities (or not to commit them).</p>
<p>Therefore, he accepts total and full responsibility for what he does and says.</p>
<p>The only thing is, you are in fact wrong and continue to perpetuate such thinking as that you are correct.  </p>
<p>Lions, tigers, ghosts, angels and demons&#8230; the burden of proof is on you - not Sam Harris.</p>
<p>Prove God.  Now.</p>
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